Thread: Hyundai Genesis Coupe R-Spec: Bare-Knuckle Track-Ready Brawler

Originally Posted by littlefreak

Because laws would prevent a 300-350 HP stock I4 plus the engine I4 are to small to be pushing that much power without serious mods. All car companys that deal in the US must meet the minimum state law which is California's. Which would never let those kind of mods. Its business. Its how it works. And when it comes to track cars the I4 is 1000 times better then the V6. So they put the same engine from the 2.0T into it and leave everything else bare minimums cuz they expect you to replace just about everything.

As I am a canuck, I dont know what laws there are that prevents certain engines from developing what HP. If you cant do it with an I4, screw it and do a V8 then.

Why do you think the I4 is a better track car? 100 times? Thats laughable, as well as debatable. Have you discussed that point with someone who knows anything...like Rhyce Millen (sp?) The weight isnt really much different, the balance of both are close, I think the 2.0 is 50/50 and the 3.8 is 55/45 or something, and as far as power out of the box..no contest. Feel free to correct me as Im not exactly sure about the balance.

And if they released a true track car or R-spec, ie, descent suspention and high HP without frilly stuff you dont need like interior trim and back seats, air cond, sterio, cruise etc etc then you wouldnt need to install or remove anything.

All Im saying is dont disguise a striped down base model as anything more than what it is... a way to sell the cars at a cheeper $$, which Im all for by the way.

And to be a prick about it... If you are gonna be racing why the hell would you drive it on the street? Ill guarentee you that a 3.8 GT (Track in USA) will smoke that thing on the street and on the track, so whats the point? If you dont have the cash to pony up to the 3.8 are you gonna have the funds to modify the I4, and have the cash that it takes to go racing with it? Just my humble opinion.

I think that honestly the 3.8 is the best of the two when it comes to race car setups. We've seen that the turbo model can be upgraded to make upwards to 500whp but still If we look at fully built 3.8's im sure we could see 600-700whp also.

The 2.0T is better track racing car... From what I've seen on this website most of you guys are doing drag racing(3.8 is deffinately a better drag racer). I dont think ether one of these cars are 50/50 if they were omg Id be so excited... and the differnce of 5% in a car is a huge differnce. 4cylander turbos are just better for tracks. Less weight = faster acceleration, faster braking, better turning. Every lb counts.

Im not sure how much US laws effect car makes in canada but I bet you they do because I wouldnt expect a car maker to make a US and a Canadain model. Im sure we get the same models. The issue with US cars is that Cali laws are so fucking strick about exhaust standards. And like I jsut said car companys arent gonna make a specail car for Cali then give the rest of the US a better version. So they make them to meet Cali standards. Putting on an air intake is illegal in Cali. So you can see all these after market mods we do to get that 2.0T to 300+ HP arn't gonna meat Cali standards. It sucks for people who just want to buy a prebuilt super car. But its awesome for people like me who like to mod the engine.

The 2.0T is severally choked as most Turbo cars in the US market are. So there is alot of work you can do to open it up. Though it might be legally possible to make a car that is about 250 at the wheels and then with a quick reflash can be 300+. Alot of the restriction placed by law are in the computer so a reflash can remove them.

Edit:
Weight Distrubution on the v6 is 54/36. Which aint bad. Im looking for the I4s now if its 50/50 I might freak and take the loan out today on it even tho Im not ready to make that payment lol...

ummm... little... "Weight Distrubution on the v6 is 54/36."... that only adds up to 90%...
I think you meant "54/46". And Canadians do get different versions of cars and models due to different laws and restrictions. Case and Point, we get an Acura CSX, which isn't legal in the US, all it is is a rebadged JDM-spec Civic. Honda Civics in general are usually different specs per nation, Canada and US usually don't get the same car. You can wiki it or cause I know some people hate wiki, pour through mechanic manuals on euro, jdm, us and cdn spec Civics and you'll see the different setups and how it's not just features but sometimes engines or because of emmision laws changes that result in different HP figures.

Originally Posted by littlefreak

The 2.0T is better track racing car... From what I've seen on this website most of you guys are doing drag racing(3.8 is deffinately a better drag racer). I dont think ether one of these cars are 50/50 if they were omg Id be so excited... and the differnce of 5% in a car is a huge differnce. 4cylander turbos are just better for tracks. Less weight = faster acceleration, faster braking, better turning. Every lb counts.

Im not sure how much US laws effect car makes in canada but I bet you they do because I wouldnt expect a car maker to make a US and a Canadain model. Im sure we get the same models. The issue with US cars is that Cali laws are so fucking strick about exhaust standards. And like I jsut said car companys arent gonna make a specail car for Cali then give the rest of the US a better version. So they make them to meet Cali standards. Putting on an air intake is illegal in Cali. So you can see all these after market mods we do to get that 2.0T to 300+ HP arn't gonna meat Cali standards. It sucks for people who just want to buy a prebuilt super car. But its awesome for people like me who like to mod the engine.

The 2.0T is severally choked as most Turbo cars in the US market are. So there is alot of work you can do to open it up. Though it might be legally possible to make a car that is about 250 at the wheels and then with a quick reflash can be 300+. Alot of the restriction placed by law are in the computer so a reflash can remove them.

Edit:
Weight Distrubution on the v6 is 54/36. Which aint bad. Im looking for the I4s now if its 50/50 I might freak and take the loan out today on it even tho Im not ready to make that payment lol...

BOLD TYPE... you are incorrect sir.

The companies that make the intakes usually apply for C.A.R.B approval on their parts. Alpine Developments made a supercharger that was 50 state legal....DC sports made street legal headers that were 50 state legal.

does Cali make it hard to mod a car and keep it legally on the street? HELL yes. One reason I'm glad I'm not in Texas.

I was thinking about this whole 3.8 vs 2.0 battle.. and I'm not really caring cause I won't be competition racing this for a while or ever... just something I noticed when I was poking around Hyundai's website:

3.8 specs:
Horsepower @ RPM - 306 @ 6,300
Torque (lb-ft) @ RPM - 266 @ 4,700
Compression Ratio - 10.4:1

2.0T specs:
Horsepower @ RPM - 210 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft) @ RPM - 223 @ 2,000
Compression Ratio - 9.4:1

anyone who disputes this numbers go here: Hyundai Genesis Specifications | Genesis Specs, V8, Interior, exterior Coupe

but what really caught my eye was "223 @ 2,000" and "266 @ 4,700". I mean yeah, the V6 has more horsepower, but that torque gap isn't that big, and with the free wastegate mod we know from dyno results you can throw out an extra 16 lbs-ft which would make it "239 @ 2,000" which is apprx because we know that the mod changes your torque graph. But that still shrinks that gap. Now given what Little has said about weight balancing, the V6 is more nose heavy which means it can't get all that flywheel torque to it's wheels as easily as the more ass heavy 2.0T.
Now I'm not taking sides on anything, I think both engines are great and no matter what they are wearing the same gorgeous skin but.. I think everyone should have all the facts before we start throwing rocks at eachother.

have they released an official date for the Rspec yet? or has anyone been in on the think tank and heard anything?

Originally Posted by snoopy0812

I was thinking about this whole 3.8 vs 2.0 battle.. and I'm not really caring cause I won't be competition racing this for a while or ever... just something I noticed when I was poking around Hyundai's website:

3.8 specs:
Horsepower @ RPM - 306 @ 6,300
Torque (lb-ft) @ RPM - 266 @ 4,700
Compression Ratio - 10.4:1

2.0T specs:
Horsepower @ RPM - 210 @ 6,000
Torque (lb-ft) @ RPM - 223 @ 2,000
Compression Ratio - 9.4:1

anyone who disputes this numbers go here: Hyundai Genesis Specifications | Genesis Specs, V8, Interior, exterior Coupe

Another thing about that that is really important... The 2.0T gets the torque sooner at lower rpms... which is actualy not normal for smaller displacement this is probly why that wastegate is set the way it is. Better that way for track numbers... and 0-60 numbers.

And about the canadain model thing... I thought I made it clear that it was only speculation. Im glad the canadains get foreign car models they are lucky... Fucking Cali ruin all the US fun...

Originally Posted by Fixer

does Cali make it hard to mod a car and keep it legally on the street? HELL yes. One reason I'm glad I'm not in Texas.

Huh? Don't you mean:

One reason I'm glad I'm IN Texas (NOT California)?